SCB’s, The Danger Zone

Introduction

 

Matt:

Hi, I’m Matt,

 

Dee Dee:

And I’m dedi. We are the hilarious outcome of opposing brains, sharing a mutual desire to share knowledge and positive thinking about him and cannabis.

 

Welcome

 

Matt:

We are here to tear down the walls built by big pharma and other big companies that seek to keep the human race and fear and divided.

 

Dee Dee:

We are here to shatter the myths about hemp and cannabis, and change the stigma of this amazing plant. Welcome to Hemp and Happiness with the Hemp Queen

 

Matt:

And Emperor

 

SCB’s, The Danger Zone

 

Dee Dee:

Podcast. Join us as we venture into this misunderstood and the unknown.

Hey, happy Hesters. Thanks for joining, joining us. Sorry, <laugh>. I think I’m still waking up a little bit, but thanks for joining us as we dive into some more, um, interesting topic of conversation today. This is, this has really been hitting home with us because, um, you know, we always strive to provide the best quality products, and we get a lot of people that ask us about other products that we have chosen not to carry. And Matt is definitely gonna go in and explain some of this and, um, talk about why synthetic cannabinoids aren’t what you think they are. So let’s just dive right in, Matt.

 

Matt:

Well, it’s not just me, mom.

 

Dee Dee:

No, I’m gonna, of course, I’m gonna offer my opinion.

 

Matt:

I have a few facts. And, and, and here’s the thing too is, uh, it’s really interesting because it’s actually kind of the dark side of the industry where it’s really hard to find facts right now, and there’s a lot of claims. Um, so, you know, just to dive right in, uh, there’s basically two different types of, of cannabinoids, uh, out there today. Um, there are naturally occurring cannabinoids of which, uh, there have been discovered approximately 115 mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, it is believed that there could be more. Uh, they’re still searching, but that is what’s naturally occurring. Then, uh, what we have that is not as new as you would think are synthetic cannabinoids. Those are cannabinoids that don’t exist in nature. They’re created in a lab by human beings. Right. So there’s a lot of controversy right now as to what’s synthetic and what is legitimate, uh, in that what is naturally occurring

 

Dee Dee:

And Right. And they’re calling ’em designer cannabinoids. Right. So it it is,

 

Matt:

That is a synthetic.

 

Dee Dee:

It’s a synthetic. Exactly.

 

Matt:

So,

 

Dee Dee:

And, and keep in mind, Matt and I spoke to a, one of the chief scientific officers from one of the companies that we buy some product from to try and get the explanation as to what the deal was with these designer cannabinoids. And after our meeting, Matt and I kind of looked at each other like, Mm, Yeah. We’re not carrying that stuff.

 

Matt:

Yeah. Because, because here’s what, what, what it really, it came to be is there are a lot of people claiming, uh, that they found new cannabinoids mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, that’s not necessarily the case. And I’m not going to say that’s not true because I’m not a scientist. Right. I don’t have the appropriate credentials or research to tell you that they’re not, uh, naturally occurring. But as DEI just mentioned, we spoke with a scientist with those credentials who actually manufactures those cannabinoids who has told us very outright that they are synthetic. Correct. And, and that they’re not naturally occurring. Now that is different from a conversion of a one cannabinoid to another. Correct. And that happens frequently, uh, in the industry, which we’re okay with. Right. Uh, because in in all reality, it’s very difficult to produce CBD without there being some form of conversion process.

 

Dee Dee:

Well, yeah. Because it comes out as CBD a, Right. So you have to convert it, right?

 

Matt:

Yeah. Right. So, so there is a process there, and that process can be as natural as heating something. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, there, there are some other processes involved, uh, depending on the cannabinoid profile mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, but it’s a fairly gentle product. And what’s the end produ, what the end product is, is natural. Right. It exists within nature. Right. Uh, so the conversion process in the industry is unavoidable. And as far as I can tell from my research, a harmless process mm-hmm. <affirmative>, now when you’re developing synthetic cannabinoids, you’re taking a natural cannabinoid and you’re hydrogenating it, which means you’re adding hydrogen molecules. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Now hydrogenation has been a big buzzword because, uh, everyone is now terrified of trans fat. And ization is what, uh, creates trans fat. So that’s bad for you. We’ve already decided that this is a bad process. Right.

 

Dee Dee:

Why would you wanna put

 

Matt:

Your, Yeah. So then we’re going to start taking something that’s supposed to be a health and wellness, you know, make us feel better mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but we’re gonna introduce something that we believe is, you know, had this lipid issue, potential cancer, heart disease, all, all kind of things. So, so, so that’s a problem. Not only that, and some of these designer cannabinoids, they’re introducing, uh, heavy metals like nickel and palladium. Mm. Uh, which heavy metals in the body is, ugh, not good. That

 

Dee Dee:

Does sound good.

 

Matt:

So I, you know, I don’t wanna pick on them, but I am gonna pick on ’em because, um, we don’t know enough about the naturally occurring cannabinoids yet to go ahead and start playing God with that. Right.

 

Dee Dee:

Why are you making synthetic ones? Why don’t you figure out what the good ones

 

Matt:

Are? That’s a good question. I mean, that makes those sense. There’s two reasons. So hhc, which is one of the hot ones right now, um, there’s two reasons why it’s great.

 

Dee Dee:

Didn’t they use hhc to make spice

 

Matt:

With Well, I’m getting to that. All right. You’re jumping the, I’m sorry. You’re sorry. I know. Um, so Hhc was, was designed for two reasons. One, because it, it, it, it’s a, has a stronger bind on the receptors than thc. Uh, is that good? I, I, I don’t know. I mean, how strong of a bond you need, uh, and two, because, uh, it allegedly, uh, will, uh, make it through some drug tests undetected. Yeah. Right. So that, that’s what made, uh, that’s what’s made Hhc hot. Now, again, I don’t, I’m skeptical, uh, that about the drug test thing. I would question that, um, and I would question, I would to the people that are making this hhc, uh, are they not gonna go ahead and throw some other shit in there? Right. Um, what’s the likelihood of that? I would say pretty high. Um, so that, that, that’s just one another.

Um, another hot one right now are the thc, synthetic THCs. You’ve got thc, uh, and Thcp are the big ones right now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, just to give you an idea, these, uh, cannabinoids have been synthesized to be more potent and strong, have a stronger bond to the receptors than a naturally occurring thc. Yeah. In some, uh, in some cases, particularly with thc o uh, it is enhanced the psychedelic effect, uh, to the point where it is not dissimilar from lsd. Um, so the psychoactive bond of THC is something that’s very controversial. Mm-hmm. Um, and we’ve covered this in other podcast, you know, there’s, there’s been concerns of, uh, people predisposed schizophrenia. Right. Take taking too much or, uh, uh, medicating, um, with, with the, the, this, uh, this cannabinoid inappropriately mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, so on and so forth. So you got something that’s a way, way stronger bond has a way more intense psychedelic effect. Could that potentially make it addictive or habit forming? I don’t know. But it seems to me that there’s a potential for that. There’s also a potential that, uh, it can, it may adversely affect your brain chemistry. Um, so just really a couple things you need to think about. Um, th c p is 300 times, uh, more effective at binding to the CB one receptor than Delta nine thc. That’s kind of scary. Yeah, it is. Um, that’s

 

Dee Dee:

A bit much.

 

Matt:

Yes.

 

Dee Dee:

That is a bit

 

Matt:

Much. And THC o THC acetate, uh, which is just generically referred to as th c um, is triple the strength of a delta nine. So if you, if, if you’re having one milligram of, uh, th c it would be the equivalent of having, um, three milligrams of Delta nine thc. Yeah. So there’s things to be aware of. Um, these, the, these are really being created to be more potent to, uh, get people who are already potentially overusing thc mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, to have something even stronger to then overuse. Uh, but the difference with this over usage is we don’t know how it’s going to, uh, affect the body. Right. And the mind long

 

Dee Dee:

Term. Well, and that’s why you and I chose not to sell it. Right. I mean, we had a vendor send us, um, HHC gummies, and I’m like, we’re like, Well, don’t the hell I deal with these. Yeah. I don’t want ’em. Yeah. We don’t wanna, we don’t want to potentially, possibly hurt somebody with a product we’re selling. Right. So, Right. I mean, that, that’s why Matt and I do our homework. That’s why we, we question all our vendors. You know, we, we wanna make sure that they, that they are following all the FDA guidelines as far as good manufacturing practices, things like that, that stuff’s important. Testing’s important. Right. And a lot of these new designer cannabinoids, they’re not even on the testing.

 

Matt:

Right. And just, I mean, just how it’s extracted is important to us. Whoa. Yeah. When, when you’re hydrogenating and adding, having metals and basically, you know, producing something Yeah. Fast math lab type scenario, the extraction process is out the window. At that point, it doesn’t matter. You are introducing chem hazardous chemicals, Right. The human body, uh, to something that you’re selling someone to ingest mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and again, are, are they currently illegal? No, they’re illegal. Um, does that mean it’s a good idea? No, no. So, so

 

Dee Dee:

Each and, you know, we, we fought really, really hard. I did, I worked my ass off to keep Delta eight legal here in the state. And but that is one cannabinoid that’s naturally occurring. Right. Or they’re using CBD isolate, and I’m fine with that too. Right. Pressure and heat and all that stuff, and the fact that it gets tested. But a lot of these other designer cannabinoids No, no, thank you.

 

Matt:

Well, and here’s, here’s the thing, is cannabis, hemp, whatever you wanna call it, has been used for thousands of years as a herbal remedy for a lot of things. Yep.

I can, I don’t necessarily agree with, but I can understand engineering a cannabis plant to produce a higher amount of thc. I can understand, um, engineering cannabis plant to produce less THC and more cbd mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, there’s ways to do that naturally. There’s ways, crossbreeding, cloning, feminizing, all kinds of things that you can do naturally to create a profile on a product that has worked successfully for humans mm-hmm. <affirmative> for thousands of years. Yeah. Um, the fact that we want to take that to the next step. I understand it’s, it’s human nature to want to evolve and improve things. I don’t know that the research is there to make that a good idea right now. And I don’t know that it makes sense anyway. Right. Uh, it’s part of the whole consumerism, bigger, stronger, more potent mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, and then more dangerous. Um, and the legalities are just that. Yeah. It’s either someone hasn’t caught onto it yet, or there is, um, money behind it that’s stopping people from making it illegal. And what it could end up doing is hurting the, the other portions of the industry Yes. That are working so hard to legitimately make

 

Dee Dee:

Ground. And that’s what I worry about too, because, um, you know, fighting for the Delta eight and in this particular state, and obviously other states are having those same issues, but they’re wanting to fight that federally and make it, uh, where it is 1% total thc. Right. Including the dh, the th hcbs, all of it altogether. Right. And that would really hurt the industry Right. As far as the Delta eight market goes.

 

Matt:

Well, you know, and, and, and that’s to circle back to the spice thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, this is how spice got started. Yep. A two or mojo, I mean, there’s a million different names for it. Yeah. But it was legal. You could go. Yep. I remember going to the, uh, gas station. I remember going to the gas, I remember going to the flea market mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and people having bags of it and the little popup boots. Yep. Um, I did have a employee at my, uh, previous company commit suicide Wow. While taking salt hung himself in a closet. And that was not the only story that’s that, that I knew about like that. So again, these are synthetic, they’re, they’re not mm-hmm. They’re not naturally.

 

Dee Dee:

And that’s, that’s why we don’t carry

 

Matt:

’em. Right. And when that, but when that flows into the rest of the industry and they say, Well, look what these people are doing well, who’s gonna blame that, that martyr Right. That comes up and says it’s killing people. Yeah. Um, and then, you know, the, the whole industry gets sucked into that. Yeah. So I think as an industry as a whole, you know, it’s our responsibility to set the standard. The FDA has pretty much proven themselves to be, be worthless hands off. We’re not gonna touch it. Um, and don’t you say anything about it either. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, which is a whole other can of worms. Um, but it, it, it starts with, it starts with the industry and it starts with us as consumers deciding what we are and aren’t okay with putting in our body mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, uh, I think we’ve lost sight of that in, in a lot of ways in our culture. Oh yeah. I mean, we really want to believe that everything is enhancing and everything’s good for us and everything’s better for us. But the reality is there’s a lot of people cranking out a lot of crap, uh, that, that they want you to put in your bodies.

 

Dee Dee:

Right. And it’s all about money. Yes.

 

Matt:

You, to improve their bottom line. Yeah.

 

Dee Dee:

Um, and that’s just, that’s just a shame. I mean, you, you can’t have integrity in every business. Right.

 

Matt:

Well, but it’s, it’s coming to a head. Yeah. I think it’s coming to a head. It is. And I think that, I

 

Dee Dee:

Think 23 is gonna make a lot of changes in the industry. I really do.

 

Matt:

Well, you know, and, and hopefully change is coming for us as individuals mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and, and, and thereby our culture is changing that we just because someone says it’s okay, we don’t believe it’s okay, or just because someone says it’s not okay, doesn’t mean it’s not okay. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Um, and independent thought, critical thinking, getting your head out there Yep. Going past the first page of Google

 

Dee Dee:

<laugh>, um, which, Wait, wait a minute. We’re the

 

Matt:

First page. Okay. So yeah, that’s business. Okay. If, if you do research, uh, which I would encourage you to on any of these topics, um, don’t settle for what’s on the first page of Google. Yeah, for sure. Because what’s on page one is what people have paid for you to see. Right. That’s not the real info.

 

Dee Dee:

And you know, most people don’t realize that cuz they’ll say something, Well, I read on Google, I’m like, you read someone’s opinion Yeah. On Google, they just have good Google analytics and they’ve been around for a while, so their page comes up first. That’s all it is.

 

Matt:

Yeah. No, no, good. No good info source makes it to page one independently. It’s like, No, I wrote a really good article. Yeah, no. And boom, it was, I went viral and was on page one.

 

Dee Dee:

But most people don’t realize that. They think they’re getting the legit information off page one of Google. And it’s not true. The

 

Matt:

Real information is, is out there, but it’s, it’s buried in a sea of crap. Right. Uh, not an accident because they No, A lot of times they don’t want you to find that. Um, Oh, they want to

 

Dee Dee:

Direct your hairs. I mean, there was a hemp company, a very well known hemp company who had heavy metal in their, um, products because in the beginning, you know, we weren’t growing hemp here. We were getting it from Europe. Right. And then when they were bringing it here and processing it, there was heavy metals in it. Well, wouldn’t, you know, that report is probably like on page 30 at Google now. Yeah. I mean, it is very, very, very hard to find. And you know, that company, they just swept it onto the rug. They paid thousands upon thousands and thousands and thousands and just bombarded Google with other things. So that got, that got completely, um, hidden. Yeah. So, I mean, it happens. I know that firsthand it’s the, so

 

Matt:

It’s the, um, the conspiracy theory, uh, dissolution have, have you heard of that? Where No. If it, for every legitimate conspiracy theory there is out there mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they don’t remove it because that would validate it. Right. So what they do is they’ll, they’ll surround it with a thousand other ridiculous conspiracy theories that you’d have to wade through to find that one piece that’s legitimate, which makes they, they don’t hide information anymore. Everything’s in plain sight. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you just have to sift through so much garbage. That would be a good algorithm actually. Yeah. Not that I’m thinking about it. Oh yeah. Writing an algorithm that would, There

 

Dee Dee:

You go.

 

Matt:

The crap if there’s a hacker out there, Right. You be, you, you want be like the fricking, uh, spider-man of hacking, that would be an awesome algorithm. I would buy that to where it’s like all the, you could somehow get to the actual core truth that exists within the, the, the Yeah. Good luck for that digital ether. Um, yeah, but who know that would nice. Hey, things are changing. You gotta be positive. You got to stay up. I’m not giving up on people and I don’t think you should either.

 

Dee Dee:

Well, I’m not giving on people, but it’s tough.

 

Matt:

It is tough. And, and it’s about moving from a, you know, purely commercial money based society to a society where we legitimately are looking up for one another. You

 

Dee Dee:

Know? Well, I mean, that’s, that’s why we open, that’s why I opened the store. That’s why, I mean, I’ll never forget, that was one of the reasons that made me open the store. You know, one of our, um, uh, health food stores was carrying a brand that uses butane to extract with. I am not a fan. I, you know, I’ve been told that it burns off in the system and the process, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just don’t believe that anything that is used with Butan to make something that’s supposed to be a healthy product for us, should be used and put back in our bodies. I’m very anti that. So that’s really what made me open the store because I wanted people to have legit good quality products from our reliable source. And, you know, that’s why we don’t carry freaking synthetic cannabinoids. Right. It’s, how do I know that that’s good for someone I don’t.

 

Matt:

Right. And we lose money for that. Well,

 

Dee Dee:

Yeah, <laugh>, we do, we do, we lose market share for that. I just worry about the people that are taking that kind of stuff and they don’t know what it’s doing for their body.

 

Matt:

Well, they don’t. No, because no one does. No, because it’s not they

 

Dee Dee:

Tested. I mean, I mean, you’ve been, how many people have you been told, I mean, that have said, you know, you shouldn’t take too much Tylenol cuz it does damage to your liver. Right. Hello? How do you not know what the synthetic synthetic cannabinoids are doing to your body? We don’t, we have no clue. Right.

 

Matt:

Just we need to be doing research on what legitimate cannabinoids do to our

 

Dee Dee:

Body. Exactly. And stick with those, Stick with the legitimate stuff. Like, I don’t even like using, um, fake cheese

 

Matt:

If it’s worth like

 

Dee Dee:

If it, if it’s the singles and no,

 

Matt:

If it’s worth for the last 20,000 years.

 

Dee Dee:

Right. Naturals, pests,

 

Matt:

People, why change it naturals best. Um, and, and, and if you can’t, uh, if you can’t consume enough cannabis to get high, Oh my

 

Dee Dee:

Lord. Take

 

Matt:

A break. Take a break, <laugh>, take a day off.

 

Dee Dee:

Yeah. Couple days,

 

Matt:

Go for a walk.

 

Dee Dee:

Researcher in ecs,

 

Matt:

Do some burpees.

 

Dee Dee:

Burpees

 

Matt:

Are good. Uh, stimulate your metabolism. Right. Uh, do a cleanse, whatever. Um, don’t go looking for the next stronger thing because, and that, and then there, and by reinforces the whole gateway drug. Right. Conspiracy.

 

Dee Dee:

Well, and there are concentrated forms of, um, cannabis and thc. I mean, you can get dabs and I would prefer someone do dabs over these synthetic cannabinoids.

 

Matt:

So, Well, the the point is, is that they have no legitimate purpose. None that I can find. None. And people telling you that they’re naturally occurring, I would question that. I’m not going to say that they’re not, Again, I’m not a scientist. They’re the only people that say that they’re naturally occurring Are the people trying to sell them? Yep. That’s, that’s what I found in my research mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and then you don’t have any, there’s no one in the middle. Right. It’s either all this stuff is deadly, it’s will kill you. Um, and then there’s the people are like, it’s perfectly fine. Yeah, no problem. It’s great, by the way. I’ve got a deal on it <laugh> 20% off. Uh, so you really, Yeah. You’re gonna have to juggle that yourself. Yeah. Uh, but what we’ve seen at Yes, we try to look out for you and, and what we’ve seen with synthetic cannabinoids is nothing good happens. And spice was the prime example of that. So. Yep.

 

Dee Dee:

Anyway. Yep. Yep. So take it from us. Uh, you know, we, we do try to look out for y’all and we care about you and, um, just try to stick with natural, safe, healthy, natural, you know. But yeah, agreed. Um, I would tell you to follow us on social media, but as of this recording, our Facebook page is still down. Uh, <laugh>. Listen to the previous podcast. Um, but definitely, uh, follow us on YouTube. Uh, follow us on Instagram.

 

Matt:

Actually our Facebook will be back up by the time.

 

Dee Dee:

Yeah. I hope. Yes. Yes. We are gonna be positive. It will be. We do have a makeshift to one if need. Um, but definitely sign up for our newsletter and if you have any questions, uh, send us an email to info at 5 0 2 hemp.com. And, um, you know, it, it just always, always, always do your research and stay committed to your health and your happiness. And we will do our best to always carry quality products. And that’s what we strive for at 5 0 2 Hemp. Yeah. We’ll do a little plug right there. So, <laugh>. But as always, thank you guys for listening. Um, definitely share and like this. And, um, you know, always, always, always question everything and, um, you know, you gotta, there’s people you can trust and there’s people that you can’t. And just keep that in mind when you are buying products and, um, don’t forget to keep it hempy out there.

 

Matt and Dee Dee:

See ya. Bye.

 

Dee Dee:

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Hemp and Happiness with the hemp Queen

 

Matt:

And emperor.

 

Dee Dee:

Keep your mind ever open and expanding, like, subscribe, review, follow us, all the good stuff and keep

 

Matt:

It hempy out there.