Introduction

Matt:
Hi, I’m Matt

Dee Dee:
And I’m Dee Dee. We are the hilarious outcome of opposing brains sharing a mutual desire to share knowledge and positivity when thinking about hemp and cannabis.

Matt:
We are here to tear down the walls built by big pharma and other big companies that seek to keep the human race and fear divided.

Dee Dee:
We are here to shatter the myths about hemp and cannabis and change the stigma of this amazing plant. Welcome to Hemp and Happiness with the hemp queen.

Matt:
And emperor.

Dee Dee:
Podcast. Join us as we venture into this misunderstood and the unknown.

Welcome

Dee Dee:
Hey, Hey. Hey, happy hamsters. Welcome back to another podcast where we get to talk about some really interesting things, Madson rare form today. So this next episode is, is I, I don’t even know what to think about it.

Matt:
Rare form would assume that I’m not being myself. I am always,

Dee Dee:
You are always your authentic self

Matt:
Version. I’m in classic form, actually authentic self would.

Dee Dee:
Did you see my eye roll? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> okay. <Laugh> okay. <Laugh> so it’s kind of a cool topic though. I don’t think it’s something that most people would talk about

Matt:
Actually, it’s, it’s a somewhat popular podcast topic, so, and really yes, for, for the record for the listeners out there, Dee had no idea what this podcast was gonna be about before we came into the studio today and I wanted it that way because I think it makes for a more interesting debate. And basically what we’re gonna talk about today is a, is a theory that may already exist, but I formed independently reinvented the wheel probably. That I’m very, and I’m very cur one. I’m very curious about DeeDee’s thoughts on this. But I’m really curious about the audience as well. So if you listen to this and you have an opinion or a thought, I would highly encourage you to email [email protected] or hit us up on all, any of the social media networks. And give your thoughts on this because this is like a kind of an out there thing. But it’s something that, that we deal with more and more in the industry today. And basically let me just start out from the beginning. I kind of formed this idea reading up on an individual named Terrence McKenna who was a ethnobotanist in California, graduated from Berkeley. A really smart guy, wrote a book in the eighties, wrote several books and actually did a documentary, but

Matt:
Ethnobotany ethnobotanist right.

Dee Dee:
I’ve never even heard of that.

Matt:
Yeah, it’s a, it’s a very exciting and emerging field, is it? I have no idea. Okay. But anyway, guy wrote this book called food of the gods among others. What’s it called, called food of the gods

Dee Dee:
Food of the

Matt:
Gods over there. And, and here’s the premise of, of the theory that he expresses in this book. And it it’s, the theory is actually based on scientific fact.

Dee Dee:
Well, that’s good.

Matt:
The theory is, you know, a few hundred thousand years ago, we evolved from homo erectus to homo sapien, right? And the big phenomena from this evolution. And it wasn’t as big of an evolution as some of the other, you know, milestones in human evolution was we left the forest and the trees and we hit the grasslands and the Savannahs that is part of what gave us our, you know, erect posture. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> hence the name for some of us

Dee Dee:
Erectus as I’m sitting here, slots over

Matt:
Is erectus is one of my favorite if I had a, if I was in folks, if I was in Rome in ancient Rome, I think I would’ve named my child erectus.

Dee Dee:
Oh, mg,

Matt:
Erectus Maximus.

Dee Dee:
I’m so glad your son is named Jack his name Jack. Yeah. <Laugh>.

Matt:
So, anyway before I get too off topic homo erectus became homo sapien through this evolution during this time, a lot of things changed. One most specifically was the diets, obviously, because there, there are different foods available in the grasslands and Savannahs than there are in the jungles and or boreal tree ecosystems

Dee Dee:
Think better food too. I

Matt:
Mean, you know it, well, we were hunters. I

Dee Dee:
Watch some of those survival shows in the blah

Matt:
That, yep. Now, now mind you, this is Dawn of, of, of, of evolution. So stuff thought I would die. This was way before agriculture

Dee Dee:
I’m

Matt:
Dead. Right. But it’s what led to all these things. So anyway, about a hundred thousand years ago when as homo erectus was becoming homo sapien, there was this jump in evolution. It was the stone age, but you, you saw increased tool, use, increase, communal activity, increase people living together, right. And increase you see, you see the, the, the beginnings of agriculture, things like that, all of, and it was, it was a Renaissance that happened as far as we know, very suddenly. So that led Terrence McKenna to the question of what caused that evolution. And one of the things that he studied as a, apparently as an ethno, a POTUS was their diets. And what he theorized was that this evolution in part was brought about through the consumption of E hallucinogenic mushrooms. Okay. So

Dee Dee:
I’ve never done them, myself, this, but I’ve heard some crazy things about them. Yes.

Matt:
Okay. Well,

Dee Dee:
Yeah, we’ll leave it at that.

Matt:
We’ll leave it at that. So that evolution well apparently the, the, what his theory states is that the consumption of the POS side and Sabin does a couple things. One, it, it has been scientifically proven to, in the appropriate dosage to sharpen eyesight some mental acuity reasoning skills. It’s actually being used quite a bit with PTSD and trauma survivors that I have heard in, in a lot of studies right now and that they’re, it’s showing very promising results. So it may have also lent to the assistance as cuz let’s face it back in those days. Everyone had PTSD to, to see your father, mother, brother, sister, child molded by some wild animal O on a daily would just be just another day back then. Right. So very well could have assisted with the coping mechanisms of the human brain stimulation of something called the Pinal gland.

Matt:
That makes sense, which is the only part of the human brain by the way, that can cannot be divided in half mm-hmm <affirmative>. All of other parts of our brain have a left side and right side, just a little fun fact about that part of the brain, but I’m not gonna get too deep into the science of it, cuz I’m, I’m gonna expo expound upon McKenna’s theory. There are tons of of evidence that show that this theory could actually be real like this. This could have been a contributing factor to this Renaissance and this evolution. So let

Dee Dee:
Me get this straight. A bunch of half eight people went, ate some mushrooms that had a good old time. And then they suddenly became the modern day man.

Matt:
So they weren’t half apes. They were actually pretty much human. Yes. At this point they were pretty much homo sapien. There was, there’s not a whole lot of difference what they were not what, what they were not. And what really McKenna gets at the core of is they were not sentient. They were not necessarily self aware. They didn’t the, the whole Kamoo. I think therefore I am existence did not exist before that point. The real turning the corner of that was the acknowledgement of one’s zone existence, which is the most undefinable factor of existence. And one of the most profound Theo, the theoretical factors of our existence out there. If you can define Sentis existence and conscious awareness, please let me know. Because I don’t today. I don’t dang. I don’t think you can. And I think that, that you, if you are, you’re just scratching the surface. So anyway,

Dee Dee:
Mushrooms,

Matt:
So right, because before, before that it was, I have to survive. Right? I have to hunt, I have to eat, eat, I have to sleep. I have to procreate how’d they discover all those things, procreation.

Dee Dee:
I mean, how, how them people, I mean,

Matt:
Natural it’s, it’s just natural and that funny and McKenna gets into that because he also of course he does. Well also it, it apparently he theorized that the mushrooms that they were consuming, which were a form of, of posy and Cubis also inspired AJAC qualities. So there, there was a, there was an increase in desire to procreate which, which helped spawn this whole thing. Interesting. Yeah. And, and procreation by the way, is a natural all animals that do not reproduce. Asexually have an innate ability to procreate you just figure it out.

Dee Dee:
That’s what we’ve done.

Matt:
The round hole species is the biggest, the round peg goes in the round hole and there you have it. What we didn’t know before that time, and what’s interesting and the whole self-awareness and cultural development is that the awareness of sex and procreation being linked that was a, a huge milestone in human evolution. Some say it was the greatest thing that we’ve ever we’ve ever evolved to some say it’s the worst because it, it spawned jealousy consumerism minds coveting selfishness, all of these things can, can be attributed to, you know, this is my child, this is my house. This is my, this is me, me, me, me, me versus a true communal effort where nobody really knew where kids came from and the community took part in raising the children. And everyone was responsible cuz knew no one knew whose was who’s or that there was even a whos. It was just simply existence, but that’s not the point of this podcast. Okay. Got that’s that’s another, that’s a round, that’s a, that’s a round circle, powwow discussion. So anyway and then McKenna gets into all the way down the line, how mushrooms were, were born or were, you know, foundations of all different kinds of religions philosophies. There are people who believe that the Hindu religion, where, where you see the multi-armed beings were a result of hallucinogenic mushrooms. Well,

Dee Dee:
Dude, that makes sense, betrays. I mean, again, I’ve not tried ’em but the things I’ve heard, if you use some that yeah. I can see that.

Matt:
Yeah. All, all different. I mean, it, it shamanism mm-hmm, <affirmative> all different kinds of things. And there is proof that mushrooms were, were a part of the homo erectus and early home, early homo sapien diet.

Dee Dee:
They’re still very

Matt:
Healthy in the,

Dee Dee:
Oh my gosh, they’re extremely

Matt:
Healthy for, for you. So, so we knew they were they’re eating mushrooms. Right. All right. So now that I’ve explained the basic premise of this theory, let me take it. And this is what every pod, this is where every other pod podcaster stops get ready to get kicked in the midsection because here is where it gets kicked up a notch. Okay. Oh, McKenna. While this theory is brilliant and intriguing and you know, it, it comes and goes, people are like, oh yeah, that’s bull. And then they’re like, well, this guy was onto something. And currently, now it’s in a resurgence, which is actually what brought it to me.

Dee Dee:
Oh yeah. There’s, there’s pending legal laws pending for the psychedelics.

Matt:
Yeah. Hawaii pushing right now. There’s a few

Dee Dee:
Time that they aren’t the only one, there’s quite a few states that are trying to make them all

Matt:
Legal. And as far as I know, in most states hallucinogenic mushrooms, basil Libin, Essis in particular, are legal to grow and consume. You cannot dry them for storage or sell them. Now check me if I’m wrong on that, cuz I might be. But last time I checked, that’s what I saw. So moving on, I dunno, McKenna died tragically at the turn of the century year, 2000 mm-hmm <affirmative>. This was way before the research that we have now on C B, D cannabinoids and THC.

Dee Dee:
Ooh.

Matt:
So to take it one step further. Well I think that McKenna’s theory has merit and is intriguing. What if

Dee Dee:
Sabins eating a whole bunch

Matt:
Of meat? What if it was actually the cannabis plant that led to this? Cuz if you think about it, that

Dee Dee:
Makes a lot of sense.

Matt:
It does cannabis grows in the savannas. Yep. Chimpanzees who are our closest relative, if cannabis is in, in their natural environment, it is part of the, their diet and scientists, theorize that, that they consume large quantities of it to Deworm themselves. Okay. Really?

Dee Dee:
Yes. Interesting. Yes. I can’t imagine it tastes that great. But

Matt:
Have you had cannabis? I have. It’s delicious. It’s a wonderful spice. If I were eating some, some rotten meat I would, might want, might want a bite of, of, of cannabis to kind of diffuse that. Right. I point out too. I mean, this was before, you know, I, I don’t know where fire was at this point. But I don’t imagine it was too far along, so interesting. So yes. So we, we know through studies with animals that Canna, there are cannabinoids that may result in cortical stimulation. Correct. And in fact, I would say do at this point, I think it’s fair to say that they do affect cortical stimulation in animals. As well as the Regenesis of, of brain matter and brain tissue. So they

Dee Dee:
Didn’t, they always say that the THC ROS, our

Matt:
Brain well and, and THC absent of other cannabinoids could do that. Could, could,

Dee Dee:
It’s not been proven

Matt:
Either not been proven. Right. So, but with the Canna, with the other cannabinoids, you have the preservation factor, right? So you have cortical stimulation, you have neurogenesis. Okay. Mm-hmm <affirmative> then you introduce the psychotropic effect of the THC mm-hmm <affirmative> St. Working through the endocannabinoid system, stimulating what I would theorize. And I don’t have the scientific background to prove this, but what I would theorize are the same parts of the brain that would cause you to question that sentence of who am I? Oh, first, what is the surrounding around me? What is real? What is the reality construct?

Dee Dee:
I can see that. I mean, that’s not that far fetched at

Matt:
All. Well, see, I’ll give you that. And I, I thought you were gonna get into this and be like, you’re crazy.

Dee Dee:
Well, I mean, you are crazy, but that’s beside the point, but that’s actually, that’s, that’s kind of interesting. I can see that.

Matt:
So, and, and not, not only, not only that, but you thinking, well, not only does it get you thinking, but you only have access Tosic side and Cubis in its natural environment. Mm-Hmm, you know, in things like Don in a very specific, I’m not eating that right. <Laugh> in a very specific atmospheric environment. Okay. The cannabis plant and which is the hemp plant, by the way, I’m, I’m grouping cannabis and hemp in the same category. Cause it’s

Dee Dee:
The same

Matt:
Plant cannabis sativa L or whatever is very versatile. It’s way more likely that early man, homo, erectus and homo sapien came into contact with the cannabis plant much more frequently oh. Than these mushrooms. So what are the ch and I would also argue that the cannabis plant has been involved in as many, if not more ritual ceremonies and no question about and religious you know, ongoings or whatever. I’m not gonna cite any specific religion. I mean, I could throughout history, so a big one, you know, McKenna died before, before this research. So even in the Bible was Genesis <laugh>.

Matt:
So McKenna died before, before this before this research of cannabinoids was birthed. So wouldn’t it be interesting. And isn’t it an ironic that today the same people that are attempting to restrict the access to cannabinoids are the same people that appear to be trying to keep us in an archaic state. Oh. Trying to keep us consuming their products, which can easily be replaced, which are not effective or healthy for us, and definitely not healthy or effective for our environment. So could it be that the reason for this restriction is because it actually promotes independent thought and it, and it promotes self-awareness and critical thinking. Could that be that’s deep, right. And that’s why it’s being fought so

Dee Dee:
Hard. I mean, that is deep. Cuz then that brings up so many other topics too. Why do you have the federally legal product going up against the illegal product? And these two companies are fighting over, what’s a legal cannabinoid and what’s not, oh man. Yeah. We’re gonna, we’ll have to talk about that one more later too. But dude, that makes, that makes sense. I mean, that, that really makes sense. Instead, go ahead and smoke your tobacco products that are laced with so many chemicals to get lung cancer and other cancers. And by all means, keep drinking that alcohol that destroys your liver and every other organ you have. So, you know, death and destruction and you start taking more pharmaceuticals to try to counteract that. I mean, it makes, makes sense. Yeah. Makes perfect sense. Why would you wanna heal yourself with natural products? Oh, because you can’t, we don’t want you that

Matt:
Way. Well, and the, the, the, we don’t

Dee Dee:
Want you to have thought processes,

Matt:
Right. And the, the legal painkillers on the market right now do not to my knowledge, correct me if I’m wrong, do not invoke any cortical stimulation, none or, or psychotropic effect. Well, that would stimulate the brain to an alternative thought process that may make, make you think.

Dee Dee:
I don’t believe so. They’re mostly just pain, blockers and nerve. They damage the nerves to make you, your nerves want keep you addicted to them. So yeah. No.

Matt:
And

Dee Dee:
Why would they,

Matt:
Which you bring up a very good point. So, so now that now, now that you know, the, the, the levy is, is giving way, right? You can’t stop cannabis. Cannabis is coming. Whether, whether the industry’s like it or not, are there scientists currently working to get people stoned, but not without the psychotropic effect without the, without the cortical stimulation? I I’m just throwing, I’m throwing wild theories out there at this point. That

Dee Dee:
Is a very wild theory.

Matt:
But I mean, why is, what, why, why are these companies trying to get their arm around it? Are they trying to genetically modify?

Dee Dee:
Oh, I

Matt:
Have, is there genetic? Modific

Dee Dee:
I’ve heard that, that the big, big companies are wanting to do that. Right. Completely. Why and completely remove the THC from hemp seeds or seeds in general cannabis seeds in general. Yeah.

Matt:
Well, there’s, I mean,

Dee Dee:
That’s, that’s genetic modification. That is no Buk. Well, that’s not good.

Matt:
That, that it, it’s an interesting, it’s an interesting thought. It’s an interesting theory. So how much do we wanna mess with this plant? I think that there’s great benefit from CBD devoid of THC. But I, I don’t think you would necessarily get without the psychotropic effect. You wouldn’t get these milestones in evolution.

Dee Dee:
Yeah. But THC is so beneficial to our body too, whether or not it is Cy, it has the Cy psychotropic effect. You can still microdose it and you not feel any psychotropic effect. Well, and our bodies use

Matt:
It. We, we think that we don’t necessarily know that.

Dee Dee:
Well, I know personally, <laugh>, that’s anecdotal evidence if I’ve ever had it. So microdose the hell out of it feel better. Well, I know, well making claims, oops,

Matt:
The, yeah, exactly. And we, you know, we try to avoid that. And, and again, this is all theoretical, but as we, as we move away from, from, from psychotropic chemicals, mind altering chemicals, mind stimulating chemicals, it is this by design to keep us to, to maintain the sheep will narrative and to keep people compliant. I mean, divided mean afraid. It’s the same thing that we got into in, in a previous podcast, you know? Yes. We’re, we’re, it’s not an accident that we’re, we’ve become a super sensitive ultra tolerant culture. Okay. Because why it creates division, it’s just like, you, you, you know, I, I will admit I raised a ruckus at the primaries because they didn’t allow me to vote for who I wanted to vote for. Why? Because they don’t want the best candidate to win. They want to divide it so that, oh, you can only vote Republican.

Matt:
Oh, you can only vote. Be Democrat. Oh, you’re not Democrat or Republican. Oh, you can’t vote for anyone. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> right. Divide, divide. Divide. Yep. Divide. Oh, oh, you’re gay. Oh, well you’re on, you’re in this category. Oh, you’re not gay. You’re in this category. Oh, but oh, oh, you’re homophobia. Oh, you’re in this category. Right? Divide, divide, divide, divide. Because that’s keeps us afraid. It keeps us, keeps us segmented. It keeps us from coming together and engaging communal thought along human beings that can read, write and share their opinions and thoughts. Devoid of external influence are dangerous people.

Dee Dee:
Well, why do you think our education system sucks so bad in America? Hello? It’s to keep people stupid.

Matt:
Well, and I could get on a whole tangent. Yeah. Go in there about the, that, and, you know common core, which is the, just the devil. But anyway that’s for

Dee Dee:
So much, much respect, mad respect for the teachers out there. Yes. I mean

Matt:
That, it’s

Dee Dee:
Huge respect.

Matt:
It hurts. It hurts the teachers more than it hurts anybody else.

Dee Dee:
It does.

Matt:
And there are some amazing teachers

Dee Dee:
Out there and then they don’t wanna keep teaching because it’s all bullshit and government regulations,

Matt:
But let’s save that for another podcast. Okay. Let’s stick with the, let’s stick with our, our theories. Right. So by the way, in this podcast, we are not advocating that you, you know, engage necessarily in psychotropic activities. So’s totally your choice of course. That there, there, there may be dangers there. I would, if you do choose to do that, I would definitely recommend TA doing the research. There are a lot of studies out there showing very positive benefits to things like microdosing mm-hmm <affirmative> Didi, which you brought up as well as you know, the psych movement which is, you know, McKenna was one of the founders of, and those, for those of you out there who don’t know what the psych theory is, is, is it’s the, basically any spiritual or psychological advancement through the use of psychotropic or hallucinogenic chemicals that, that, that is a, a legitimate culture out there of, of people that are kind of in the shadows right now. But do use those, those chemicals to advance themselves. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> now that being said, there’s some complete overindulged, you know, whack jobs out there, but there’s some legitimate debt facts in there. There’s some leg legit and it, and, and it, you know, whether, whether you think it’s right or not it’s an interesting theory.

Dee Dee:
It, it is, it really is. Yeah,

Matt:
Yeah, yeah. So that, that, that’s really all I had.

Dee Dee:
Is that all you had? Yeah. Okay. Well, that was pretty

Matt:
Interesting. You got anything else?

Dee Dee:
<Laugh>

Matt:
What I’m really curious about is what people out there think that are listening to this, do you think that that’s possible, there are, there are, you know, religions and cultures that shown the, the, the the use of psycho tropes at, for spiritual or psychological development, because they believe it’s false enlightenment. They believe that true enlightenment. And, and that, these are some of the cultures that I am very close to comes through meditation and, and naturally tapping into that resource in your brain. It’s very difficult to do.

Dee Dee:
It is very difficult to do.

Matt:
I, I, I don’t, I don’t agree or disagree with it. I just think it’s another way of thinking that’s to me, perfectly legitimate. But I mean,

Dee Dee:
I like the thought of the ape seat and the cannabis. I think that’s pretty cool. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. That’s how we’ve evolved.

Matt:
Yeah. I mean the, yeah, I mean, so it’s

Dee Dee:
Pretty damn

Matt:
It, it is, it is so food for thought. If you’re interested in the subject, I would definitely recommend you read up on Terrence McKenna psych OS and the use of psycho tropes and hallucinogenic materials for spiritual and psychological advancement. Self-Awareness regardless of what you do, please think for yourself, use independent thought critical thinking don’t be a sheep. So, and name your child erectus.

Dee Dee:
<Laugh> that’s gonna be your grandbaby’s name.

Matt:
Oh man. Sadly, my son does not share my spot on my humor. He’s

Dee Dee:
Thank God.

Matt:
Thank God.

Dee Dee:
He’s close for that one.

Matt:
He’s not the, he doesn’t take it to the next level.

Dee Dee:
I’m

Matt:
Very happy to hear that. Not yet. Not yet.

Dee Dee:
Hey, y’all thanks for listening to us as always, please reach out. Definitely share some feedback. And Hey, you can always share our podcast too. You can find us pretty much anywhere, which is awesome. And questions. If you wanna hear something, you want us to talk about something specific on this podcast? Sit, shoot us an email. We’re definitely up for suggestions. I mean, it’s just the two of us figuring out what we’re gonna talk about, which can be cool. And sometimes it can kind of be kind of hard too, cuz I feel like we talk about everything, but it’s fun. So thanks for listening as always. And

Matt:
Sometimes for DEI it’s too hard. <Laugh>

Dee Dee:
That’s oh my God. We are not going that, that, that was a prior conversation.

Matt:
Oh, it was? Yes. Okay. And we’re leaving that one, I guess to record, I guess the, the microphone wasn’t on during that.

Dee Dee:
Nope. Wasn’t <laugh> yeah. And totally taken outta contact, man. You’re

Matt:
Bad. Oh, we’re talking about, we were talking about weightlifting.

Dee Dee:
We were.

Matt:
Oh yeah, we were no that, yeah. Okay. Different subjects. Sorry guys. It’s

Dee Dee:
Totally different subject. Y’all

Matt:
Bye.

Dee Dee:
Have a great one. Thanks. Happy hamsters. Thanks for joining us for another episode of hemp and happiness with the hemp

Matt:
Queen and emperor.

Dee Dee:
Keep your mind ever open and expanding, like subscribe, review, follow us all the good stuff

Matt:
And keep it. He there.